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Myrobalan Shivana ([personal profile] faithlikeaseed) wrote in [community profile] middaeg2019-09-06 09:08 pm

[open/catch-all] live, i wanna live inspired

Who: Myr + you! Yes, you. Over there. Stop hiding behind the furniture. (Starters for L + Connor in the comments.)
When: ~Septeril 2nd to Septeril 18th, author reserves the right to update date range at random to fit around the Dorchacht trip. Myr is in dignitary group number 2, so feel free to catch him any time up until the 14th!
Where: Around the City, mostly the Haven and the Coven.
What: ~*training montage*~
Warnings: None as yet; will update if any arise.

i. coven.
Though the invitation for Monsters to sit in on classes at the Coven was made plain from the start, Myr hadn't availed himself of it his first month in Aefenglom. Call it preoccupation with adapting to his new circumstances, call it having the run of a city for the first time in his entire life, call it having a regular job.

Call it anything but wounded, festering anger that he wasn't invited to those classes as a student, because Geardagas had seen fit to strip him of his magic on passage through the mirror.

He can't sulk forever; even early on, he'd acknowledged he would need to learn how magic works here, if no other reason than his own insatiable curiosity would drive him to it. But that acknowledgement hadn't amounted to action until he'd been given two very good bits of evidence, one (the SQUIP) right after another (Dorchacht), that the Witches here couldn't all be trusted to use their power for the common good any more than Tevinter's magisters could. And what does that fucking say for the Libertarians' arguments about mage rule...

In order to beat a Witch, he'd need to know as well as they did how magic worked. And--he couldn't keep weighing their ethics, their reasoning on Thedas' scale; couldn't keep up his reflexive judgment of everything said or done by a member of the Coven if he didn't know how they thought of themselves.

They're not the happiest reasons to finally come learn magic, but they're good enough to make him an occasional fixture in the back of the Coven's classrooms in early Septeril. Maybe he's reached over politely to attract your attention and ask, sotto voce, what an instructor's drawing on the board. Perhaps his newly grown antlers are in the way of you being able to see the board. Or maybe he recognizes your voice out in the hallway and gravitates over to ask, eagerly, what class you're bound for next--because sitting with someone he knows a little is absolutely better than being among total strangers.

ii. haven. i like sticks
An advantage of profoundly disordered sleep is that there's many quiet hours in the night for Myr to do those things he'd rather not people see him doing.

Like sneaking into a deserted park in the Haven after the bells toll three one morning, staff and dagger in-hand.

There's no one here in Aefenglom who knows who he was back home. There's no one to tell him he can't fight, that he's a liability, that he'll never sit his vigil--but all those things have come with him through the mirror, and they cling close as shame and keep him furtive about his combat drills and forms. Furtive, but not unfaithful, because with the trip to Dorchacht looming on the horizon, he needs to be in his best form.

Stripped to the waist and furred up his back in pale white fuzz, he stands out like a wraith among the darkened trees. Live opponents would be better than the invisible ones he constructs for himself from memory, but his staffwork's sharp enough anyhow to almost infer their presence from how the blade slices air.

iii. wildcard.
(( GO WILD. Myr works at one of the Daisy Chain locations as a gardener and might be found literally anywhere inside the Bright Wall if he's gotten lost exploring. Also prone to napping in some weird places when his awful sleep habits finally catch up with him. Hit me up (Plagueheart#0051 on Discord) if you'd like a starter! ))
hearthebell: (I can do it with gourmet taste)

[personal profile] hearthebell 2019-09-23 06:28 am (UTC)(link)
[L enjoys this, too; he feels that it's not entirely harmless, because Myr is in cahoots with Rich, who certainly wants to destroy the SQUIP, and those sentiments are likely shared... but isn't this like old times, in a way? Perhaps with an added and much needed respite in the form of a deflection, because really... Myr doesn't hate the man at his side. He is not pretending to be friendly, he is not secretly plotting the death of the frail and lonely (yet lethally sharp) Linden Tailor. In so many ways that have nothing to do with the elf's blindness, it does actually feel safe to be present this way when L would be 100% guarded with others, considering potential motives and plots against his Bonded.

The suggestion for L to speak so that Myr can follow the sound of his voice is a bold and well-played move. It's very practical and makes a great deal of sense; it also makes it more difficult for L to clam up, given that one typically needs something to talk about in these cases. And, given the topic...]


You do strike me as the Bonding sort... if that's something that existed. We're all advised to find and forge Bonds, aren't we?

[Innocent enough. He moves toward his chosen table as he speaks, careful to pick a clear path where Myr isn't likely to bump or trip against anything. When he speaks again to answer Myr's question, his tone his coy, almost playful.]

If you take the potential consequences of any action far enough, it could be considered a gamble. Just a little further, and it becomes "risky." But there are some risks that some are better suited to taking than others... to frame it in a different way...

[He taps Myr's shoulder to indicate they've arrived, setting his food down on the chosen table. It's good that they're here, because he sounds breathless, feels a little unsteady on his feet. It's amazing how even walking a short distance has utterly drained him once more, and how his stamina seems to fade faster every time he stands and moves, even after a rest.

He pops open the cherry pie, digging into the center until he finds a cherry, pushing it into Myr's hand with no warning. Just the expectation that Myr will accept a sugary, syrupy cherry as an illustrative device.]


Say that you were eating this cherry, and you happened to inhale suddenly at the wrong time and begin choking. Someone could assume the risk of helping you with use of the Heimlich maneuver, which can be life-saving when performed correctly. However, when performed incorrectly, it can actually cause tremendous damage. Would you assume the risk knowing that an experienced doctor was performing the maneuver, or a frightened and panicking child with neither the required height or strength to perform the maneuver effectively?

[He takes his perching seat, serving himself a slice of pie, before adding]

I'm the doctor, in this metaphor. You can keep the cherry.
hearthebell: will credit if found (I told you I was one of those)

[personal profile] hearthebell 2019-09-24 03:55 pm (UTC)(link)
[Perhaps Myr won't explode, and it's clear why that might bring the faun comfort... but L has given the two bondless plights some thought, and ultimately, the idea of going feral seems worse to him. Dying is one thing, going out in a blaze of glory even expected in a career as high-profile and dangerous as his own had been; it's a mindset he's comfortable with after so many years living a particular reality, to the point where his likely eventual death was planned for carefully, "backups" created in the form of other brilliant but fragile children. But there was another possible outcome, some non-death circumstance that could nevertheless prevent L from doing the one thing on earth that gave his life value and purpose. Death doesn't scare him; insanity does. Though he's called himself a monster many times in his life, citing it as one more thing that makes him uniquely qualified to apprehend other monsters, he'd rather think that the whispering and clamoring shadows pressing outside the tower of his unique but volatile intelligence can't reach him. He's actually counting on death to win that race.

All of it flashes, quickly, behind his eyes, and he regards Myr with something like mystified sympathy, at just the thought of actually considering insanity the preferable option. Perhaps it's not the case? Perhaps it's a veil, drawn over that fear with a deflecting, confident smile?

He leans in a little closer. As with all things, the more complicated it gets, the more it holds L's attention.

He digs into the pie again with his fingertips, pulling out a cherry of his own; as always, eating, for him, is a drawn-out and somewhat maddening process that's almost more playing with his food than actually consuming it.]


In the scenario you posit... it's true that the child is more forgivable for his ignorance, and the doctor is more condemnable for his arrogance. But those are the variables in the equation; the disease is a constant, and so is the method, although... there's some room for speculation on what doses the arsenic is administered in. I'd expect the child to administer a lethal dose all at once, and the supposedly innovative doctor to administer smaller doses that cause different types of damage over longer periods of time. The doctor might believe that it's working for awhile and muddle the side-effects of the treatment and the disease, or go by the adage that it gets "worse before it gets better", and so staying the course is imperative for success even in the face of apparent setbacks.

[He speaks around the cherry he's chewing on, turning to mush against his lips. Manners are important, just... not to him, really.]

I don't think either of them are wrong in this scenario. They've both presumably weighed the risks and benefits in the way that they can understand, given their experiences. Both of them have pure motives, presumably... you didn't mention if the child was dealing with the illness of a family member with judgment clouded by emotion, or if the doctor was using his involvement with the patient as an experiment for his own accolades with his judgment clouded by greed. I'd take those into consideration, if so... but in truth, with the information provided, there's only one way I could condemn the actions of either of them in good conscience.

[Myr can't see that after mushing his cherry up that way and finally eating it, L looks like he's wearing dark red lip stain. He goes for another cherry, eating it in much the same manner.]

If arsenic was known to kill more patients than it saved, and this knowledge was widespread and accessible to both of them and they proceeded in spite of the fact... that would, in fact, go beyond ignorance or arrogance and actually become evil.
hearthebell: will credit if found (I told you I was one of those)

[personal profile] hearthebell 2019-09-29 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
The case at hand...

[The phrasing seems to amuse L; not that he isn't taking this seriously. He is, almost absurdly so, in spite of the odd way he's choosing to enjoy his pie while he and Myr discuss it.]

You make it sound like this increasingly specific example is based on actual occurrences. And in truth, it could be, as arsenic has historically been used as both a medicine and a poison. We're privileged to know what's actually effective, at this point in my world's history; acute doses can kill in hours or days, and exposure to small amounts over time can increase the risk of developing illnesses far later. If we accept the premise that every known substance is fatal in high enough dosages, even things that are medicinal or beneficial in the correct ones... then the doctor's reasoning for believing that a beneficial dose of arsenic could exist is sound, logical, and sane.

[L specifically is pretty knowledgable when it comes to poisons in general, considering his profession. But while a part of him does want to show off to Myr, this is not about chemistry or interactions with human cells; arsenic, in this case, could be essentially any mystery substance peddled as a medicine to a public that doesn't understand it.]

It's an uncomfortable truth for many, but knowledge and progress always comes at a cost. For every known cure, there are hundreds if not thousands of failed ones, and for every failure, there's someone who suffered and sacrificed. He's a construct of conjecture, but truly, I do feel that I know this doctor. He has more than a duty to his patient and his reputation; he has a burden and a responsibility to leave the practice of medicine a more complete study so that others can build on his work and save more lives. If this is the man who discovers that no dose of arsenic is safe and beneficial, and he has to kill his patient to prove it definitively... so long as he documents it for posterity, confesses transparently rather than obscuring his data to all including his patient, and sacrifices one life to save many from the same fate... I would consider classifying it as an ethical murder, if such a thing can exist. A noble demon, if you like.

[He's ceased eating for a moment, deep in thought. He nudges it toward Myr, bumping the tin against his elbows, wordlessly but clearly offering more.]

There are those who are willing to sacrifice, or reap known benefits assuming a risk. While the consequences of an acute dose of arsenic and your world's demons are indisputably disastrous at face value, it's only the case if the goal of the doctor begins and ends with saving the life of the patient, or the goal of the mage is to live a long and uncorrupted life. However, if the goal of the doctor is to advance medical understanding and learn the truth about a mystery cure before it's administered to plague sufferers in the next village over... or the goal of the mage is to fill some dire need that would be impossible for them without the help of a demon... the sacrifices make sense, under those circumstances. These thought exercises often assume a baseline of static contentment, when motives are required to make choices. The extremity of the choice relies wholly on the extremity of the motive.
Edited 2019-09-29 18:22 (UTC)
hearthebell: (He's a sportsman and a shepherd)

[personal profile] hearthebell 2019-10-03 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
[L's clinging to the odd comfort this is offering him. Separated from all he cared about back home, and from most of what he cares about in this one, he's looking for something to get what remains of his blood going, and so far, this is doing the trick. Lonely soul that he is, struggling to connect with anyone on a good day in the smallest and most pitifully mundane of ways, he would rather chase a spark to see if it's destined to become a blaze.

It's certainly a game, to L; the reality is just that the man takes his games deathly seriously. He lives his life engaged in them, and fully plans to die that way. Of course... if what he suspects is true, he probably would have, shortly after catching his reflection in that guard rail and stepping through a mirror into Aefenglom. He's applied too much force to the pie tin, and it cracks loudly; he wasn't actually aware that his fingertips were twisting at the sticky, flimsy metal.]


People's lives end at the hands of other people all the time, and there's nuance there. It's not always murder... but the end result is still someone dead, at the hands of another. Whether someone stabbed your lover out of jealousy, ran over your child in a terrible accident, or shot a soldier on the opposite side of a war, an individual has died, and it wouldn't have happened if not for the actions of another person. But... there are cases where death is...

[He pales; though Myr can't see it, there's a hollowness that slips into his voice that is highly audible.]

...written. A criminal scheduled for execution will still be executed, even if his assigned executioner doesn't go through with it. If a disease was your executioner, if your choices were for a doctor to take his chances or the reaper taking all, most people would turn a plea into a prayer, and understand it for what it is. The doctor is not an executioner, after all; it's the disease, but a kinder death, or one that offers a chance at life... that's the paradoxical ethical murder, and the tangent you didn't ask for but I felt the need to elaborate upon.

[He supposes that Myr brings that out in him, and is surprised by how little he actually minds. Got me talking; I didn't hate it. Good for you, sincerely.]

To return to the reason the analogy was born... I want to know more about the motivations of the demons, if you'd not mind going into more detail. Are their motivations unique to them, or are they all more or less working toward the same general goal?
Edited 2019-10-03 05:36 (UTC)
hearthebell: (I only want to hear the angels laugh)

[personal profile] hearthebell 2019-10-09 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
[L's hand is long and thin in Myr's, and slightly sticky, given its previous occupation He glances up, startled at the contact, but he doesn't draw away, in fact leans in. He senses that the welcoming and gentle heat of this intellectual flame will be withdrawn soon, and in the end, he's just like a moth. The joy of engagement is well worth wings scorched around the edges, or the risk of a blaze. Peace eludes him, forever, though Myr might wish it for his restless hands, his fast resting heart rate, an eye that wanders to danger before repose.]

Oh, I...

[He forces an overbright smile. Myr can definitely hear it, even if he can't see it.]

It might be improper, but I wouldn't complain.

[He glances back at the pie tin. The remnants of the far-from-finished pie rather resemble a murder scene.

Comforting, in other words.]


I might stay a bit longer and pick at more of this pie, but... afterwards, I'll do what you're asking me to. You have my word.

[Not worth much ordinarily... but in this case, at least, L is being sincere.]