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Player Plot: The Salvation of Geardagas, Part 1

Event Log: January, The Salvation of Geardagas: Part 1

The Evergreen Circle

disappearances

infected

tattoo

the Evergreen Circle, led by a witch called Cillian Alder

cult-like

the task of investigating them

a. Preaching to the Choir (Every Friday Evening, Mid-Ieneuer to Early Feoveuer)

Cillian Alder
Art by Rachel

"Cillian is a truly free thinker!" "I haven't felt so positive about our future for a long time." "There’s a real sense of hope and community here in the Circle."

Cillian Alder

man in his late fifties

limited to 2 RNG characters

a lot of security

consequences

b. Spirited Away (late-Ieneuer to mid Feoveuer)

intercepting a kidnapping or fighting off your own

c. Cast Out (mid-Ieneuer to early Feoveuer)

Shades, require subduing, healing

aggressive, reacting violently

[ ooc: More information about the event can be found on the plotting post along with comments for questions, and RNG sign-ups for directly interacting with Alder! ]

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That can be useful. If they think their time to convince us is limited, they're more likely to move quickly. I don't think it's something we should offer without prodding. I don't usually introduce myself as Light Yagami, bond to Linden, but if we're asked we can tell them the truth.

[ Light sits back, hand going to his chin. ]

In fact, we should play up the bond. I don't have a reputation or reach here yet. [ Yet. Light plans on changing it. He'd just spent all of his time amassing savings and learning magic. It's time to start amassing connections, too. ] But you're part of a Council that has some say in certain places. You're the skeptic. Your bond, however, is more willing to listen, and he has your ear. The story will keep either of us from being completely singled out, and we'll be able to compare stories once we're home, if we're separated.

If we go together and get into any kind of conversation, and seem invested in our respective willingness to consider a new religion, it's reasonable to assume that the nature of the relationship could come up. In fact, we should assume that it will, and that the revelation will raise suspicions. More so, if someone has noticed that we're in business together as PIs.

[It's not L's intention to sound like he's already getting into character as the designated cynic, but he takes notice of when new Mirrorbound businesses open up. A church interested in recruiting and any form of philanthropy would probably also take notice.]

Convincing them that we are there in good faith could well be our biggest obstacle to overcome. I certainly wouldn't trust us, knowing what I do about our motives from the inside, and I'm not sure that I would knowing what's possible to find out about us.

[They're not exactly working anonymously, in Aefenglom, behind the comfort of a computer screen.]

The risk of that is a lot smaller. We held back on advertising until we wrap up our current cases, and I approached our current clients. There shouldn't be word of mouth yet. It might delay our grand opening a little, but that's okay. This should have our attention. We're lucky with our timing. If this happened a month later, it would have been a lot harder to convince them.

They'll be at their most confident, too. This isn't a new church, but they're finally gaining traction. We can ride that high. I'll be able to convince them I'm curious enough and between the two of them, we can make them decide we're worthy targets. The most important part of the act is to make sure I'm not too eager and you're not too against the idea. It won't work if I come off as disingenuous or if you come off as unmovable.

[Though it's representative of some kind of quiet, subtle admission of defeat, L is truly grateful that Light has the business sense that he lacks. Any question he raises on that front is likely to have been thought of by the younger man already, even addressed by him and already taken care of. It's the kind of thing Watari would have handled for him; it's the kind of thing he's glad not to have to think about or learn in this place, effectively going from the skillset that lets him soar to one that relegates him to a set of novice training wheels.]

That is good luck. Do you feel we should practice? Different viewpoints, but neither so set in stone that they are absolutely immovable?

[He really, really wants to talk about Kira, and "volunteer" Light to play the devil's advocate.]

We tend to be rather strong in our convictions, is all. A more moderate attitude would be new ground.

[ They both have their talents and weaknesses. L's is his experience whereas Light's has only semi-recently emerged into the adult world. It's led to mistakes on his end, mistakes he doesn't repeat but it doesn't undo the past. Their ability to meet each other as equals while still covering for the other's flaws is one of the reasons they make such a perfect duo.

Even now, Light is sure he can handle the acting just fine. He's played much more difficult roles, but L hasn't had to be on the front line very often. It isn't a bad idea. ]

If it would help you become more comfortable.

[ Light doesn't deny his strong convictions. It's not a flaw. ]

We do have to make it natural.

[Considering the preparation and difficulty that came with just talking to the Parliamentary ladies about the prospect of funding the orphanage, this would probably be a good idea even if L didn't have some kind of ulterior motive in mind. Just because he's a bit determined to get his Kira fix doesn't mean that this can't honestly benefit them.]

Let's start with the template and the spirituality we're familiar with, then. The notion of something to worship, whether it's a deity or an idea... something to sacrifice self for, in the interest of a clearer understanding of the world and a more purposeful existence. Would you agree that that's what most people are searching for when they open their hearts to a religion? My take has always been that gods are born when something is wrong with the world and people are struggling to cope.

I agree, but I'd also add that hope has a place, too. As humans, our power is limited. Religion is a way to give a sense of control over things we can't control. In the past, they prayed for sun and rain. Today, we pray for recovery or good luck. Either way, you're right in that it's usually for people who need a way to handle whatever they're facing, be it a lack of direction or the illness of somebody they care about.

That's where I'd stand on my argument. If you're doing everything you can, is it so wrong to hope for something bigger than you to handle what you can't do? If you got hurt right now, I could heal you. Back in our world, that alone would get me a religion. I wouldn't encourage doctors to stop practicing since I couldn't heal every person who needed me, but I wouldn't look down on them for leaving the worst cases for me. We'd work in tandem, with them sending the terminal cases my way and handling the cases within their skill level.

How is that different than what's being asked here? If they have more power and more knowledge, why shouldn't I help them? I need to make sure I trust in what they're saying, but if I do, it wouldn't make sense not to support their message.

[L finds it interesting that Light keeps his notions of prayer limited to small and mundane and familial things. No grand overarching concepts of reshaping a rotten world, here. Is that intentional? Does Light realize that L is specifically fishing for this?

Probably; they are Bonded, after all, and there's only so much L can conceal about something this close to the core of his being.]

That goes two ways. When you put what's beyond your control into the hands of a higher power, you're giving implicit permission for that higher power to take, as well as give. I don't find the notion that some higher will can deliberately screw me over to be tremendously comforting, or hopeful. Then again... I've been fortunate, in my life, to have my will carried out more often than not. Most of the time, I haven't yearned for a higher power, but tripped over lesser ones and the red tape they wielded like talismans.

I would ask about the metric you're using to decide that they do have more power and knowledge. Do you need hope so much that a charismatic voice can deliver it with virtually any message, or do you feel empowered enough to think that you're doing OK for yourself? What is Alder doing that you, yourself, couldn't do?

You said it yourself: you've had some degree of luck. I've been lucky too, but I know that not everyone has. People are being hurt by things they can't control. Nature's a good example, even today. Japan is known for our earthquakes. If we have the money, we can take some precautions but even then, a big enough earthquake can make most buildings fall.

Or, on a smaller, personal level, look at crime.

[ If Light knows what L is doing, he seems willing to dance just a bit closer to the fire. Or, maybe he knows it'd be more suspicious not to mention it at all. ]

Someone you care about goes missing. The police are doing their best, but there are few clues, and it's reaching a dead end. You need someone to help you. In this case, it's probably another human, somebody with the same power as you, who's hurt you. People are being hurt all of the time, and if the diety was cruel enough to join in, they wouldn't need your permission.

As for me? I'm not hopeless, but I'm not in full control of my situation either. I was pulled into this world against my will, and I don't know when I'll go back. I'm working to find myself here while knowing I could wake up in Japan tomorrow. We're already in the hands of something else, something that pulled us here. I want to understand it more, but I'm not so desperate that I'd trade down. I just hope I can find what I'm looking for there.

[L doesn't outwardly react to Light's segue. He's excited, though; his heart beats more quickly, there's a lift in his chest that is lighter and more eager. This subject always shakes what's languid and bolsters what could otherwise grow stagnant and dusty.]

No human is in full control of his situation. Regardless of where they exist, or how they got there, that existence could cease at any moment. I just don't understand why acceptance is more difficult than inventing a fiction. To me, that is trading down.

A fiction. If you're assuming there really is nothing, it won't make sense. Religion isn't about accepting what you think is makebelieve. It's about putting faith in something you can't necessarily see or touch. The religion here gives you something more tangible.

Science can't explain everything, not yet. There are a lot of cases of people who should have died surviving what should have killed them, for example. We assume there is a scientific explanation behind it. Maybe there is. Maybe it's something bigger than science. You can't see their side if you're labeling their beliefs as fiction from the start.

If it can't be proven, aside from some ethereal concept of belief, then it's functionally a fiction. Isn't faith just a decision to ignore a lack of evidence, no matter how sincere it might be?

[It's likely unclear how much of this is L engaging in the game, and how much he sincerely believes what he's positing. If it's the latter, he sure did spend a lot of time believing, without solid evidence, that Light Yagami was Kira... but he's never exactly claimed that he wasn't a hypocrite.]

Science couldn't explain the notebook, but we saw the Shinigami with our own eyes. We observed a direct link between a name written, and a heartbeat cut short. I would compare it to not knowing exactly how a gun works, but seeing the gun, witnessing someone shot, and understanding at least that a bullet entered their body and caused damage and bleeding. It's not a complete picture on a micro level, but it's usually enough to draw a complete conclusion, for the purposes of a detective who is interested in the crime on a macro level.

In any case. I think it's fair to say that things are beyond science, or bigger than science, which is only a record of humanity's ability to observe and understand the universe. Eventually, a telescope and a microscope will reach their limits, but that doesn't mean that nothing exists beyond those limits. They're being pushed continuously as innovation progresses; we pushed it ourselves, by making contact with a god of death and questioning her.

[As disquieting as that entire experience was, and as much as it shook his view of the universe before Aefenglom shook it further, he's in awe of what it was and represented. And to his credit, he doesn't claim to understand more than what little he does on that front.]

If I don't know how a gun works, and see the gun, witness a person shot, and the damage caused by the bullet, the situation has not fundamentally changed... but my understanding of it will be affected if I don't make room in my mind for a necessary sequence of events that set the bullet in motion, beginning with the will of a human being.

Rem was tight-lipped about so much. But there's a marked difference, isn't there? When Shinigami use the notebook, they'd have no reason to write elaborate causes of death, such as the apparent will of the human being... but Kira took advantage of it, purely to throw me off. The reactive demonstration of ego was all the proof I needed to know that Kira was human, and the self-important placement of ego in faith is evidence, to me, that it's every bit as much of a human invention.

That's a narrow worldview that we lose when while we're still children. By that logic, the Shinigami would have been fictional before we knew about them. Magic would have been fictional before we came here. They didn't suddenly come into existence because we discovered that they existed. Even before we were able to observe them, the Shinigami were still killing people. Even now, we're in a world where we can create fire and manipulate energy in ways science can't explain, and you're questioning that something higher than that exists?

[ Light takes a sip of his coffee. ]

I hope this isn't going to be the argument you use to them, or I'll have a lot of explaining to do considering that only two of us should know someone named Kira exists.

[ 'I know what you're doing'. ]

We agree Kira's human, but I think we both agreed on it before we knew the Death Gods existed. That doesn't change my theory, but I wouldn't base it on the assumption that they would never use the Note to play with humans. We haven't met enough Death Gods to profile all of them.

Learning of the existence of Shinigami was one more confirmed step in the sequence of events where many of our conclusions were still sound. That was the only point I wished to illustrate, by mentioning them.

[Untrue, but Light knows that already.]

Concerning theoretical fiction... I qualified with "functionally" for a reason. Consider that if I want to prove that something does exist, all I have to do is find one example to present, and my job is finished. However, for me to say that something does not exist, unless I can show you every corner of the universe to infinitely large and small degrees, it's impossible to prove. The faithful tend to take advantage of this, in their arguments. The unscrupulous, in turn, take advantage of the faithful, because they recognize where the breakdown in logic has occurred. They recognize that there is an empty, open place that will respond to the declaration "here I am". It will complete some kind of a picture, and feel like an answer. It doesn't actually matter whether the piece completes the picture, mind you... just that it fits, and our own confirmation bias and backwards rationalization will finish the job from there, smoothing the edges and repainting an entire section, if necessary, to form something cohesive.

Have you ever listened to multiple eyewitness accounts, each of them telling something slightly different, and then understanding what's going on when you see video footage of the incident for yourself? So much can influence a human's understanding and perception of an event, or an idea... but the truth is objective. It's above pretension and ego. It's no coincidence that, to many, "the truth" and "God" are synonymous. Both of those things might be beyond our understanding, but only one of them is something we can observe directly, to any degree at all. By the way...

[Segue, right back to where Light might expect it to go]

I don't view the Shinigami as proof that God exists. An intelligent, extra-dimensional apex predator fits just as well. Those categories can be applied, once something is observable, and that's also something the faithful take advantage of in their arguments.

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I agree with your logic, but not entirely with the conclusions. It's much easier to prove something exists than to prove it doesn't. Religions aren't the only group that relies on this. Urban legends and ghost hunters use the same logic. It's why it's so difficult to argue with them. Even if you can disprove some of their evidence, it's not enough.

I also agree that confirmation bias is a big problem when listening to eyewitness accounts. Instead of looking at the evidence and arriving at a conclusion, we decide what conclusion we want to reach and then twist the events to fit. I'd also argue that it can work both ways. We can want to assume something doesn't exist and thus ignore the possibility.

You say 'God'. Unless it's the translation, that seems more specific than the existence of a god in general. The Christian God is the most famous example, but we know a lot of religions worship different gods. Which is a contradiction in itself. I'll give you that we both know we're not talking about a Death God so I won't say their existence automatically means a god does exist and therefore they're right.

One common trait of a god is that he can see all. We practice Divination on a near-daily basis. He has the power to control the weather. He can heal the sick. Evocation. Storms on that level might be outside of our skill level, but like you've pointed out with the Shinigami being the apex predator, it doesn't mean there isn't someone more powerful above what we can do. Enchantment takes away free will, Abjuration could allow someone to walk through fire, Levitation could allow them to walk on water, and Necromancy can bring back the dead. I'm not an expert on religion but considering what I see here, it's become a lot harder to say the usual traits of a god can't exist.

Unfortunately for you, your argument is harder because I'm not going into the cult claiming to fully believe in their mission. I'm going after having seen enough to be open to the possibility. While it's hard enough to argue with the people who do believe, it's even harder to argue with the people who are just curious enough to listen.

When I say "God," Light, what it means to me is the truth.

[Ironic, maybe, for such a liar, but L has always been paradoxically self-deprecating in spite of his arrogance. The truth is perhaps a pure ideal that a mere imperfect mortal like him can't approach to look upon directly, but he certainly wishes for it and admire it for the ideal it represents.

He just doesn't tell it, more often than not.]

Evidence is my Torah, and my prayer is a criminal's sentence spoken by a judge, at the end of it all. But I'm sure you realize as much, as my friend, colleague, and Bonded. But you're wrong, to call my difficult argument "unfortunate"... I want you to know that, truly, I enjoy it, and this has helped.

You recognize that Truth might be a personal God, but it's not what they'll be trying to sell us at the meeting. If you want to get more personal, outside of the investigation, I don't mind.

[ There's no reason to keep up pretenses. None of this is something that can be replicated when they're playing their roles in front of the congregation. ]

You say you don't believe in God, but the truth is something you chase with every case. In most cases, you find it. I don't know all of your past cases so I don't know if Kira is the first time you questioned your religion, or if it's just one of few. Instead of seeking the truth, you decided on the truth early on and was disappointed when there were contradictions to your truth. Even if someone is an expert in their religion, it doesn't mean religion is infalliable.

I always want to get more personal.

[As playful as it is incredibly true. It could be taken multiple different ways, as well, though L's absentminded front can make it difficult to tell what his precise intentions are with his phrasing.]

To a child, a parent is God. By the time I met Watari, I'd say that I'd questioned... and received no answer that satisfied me. But however one tries to mask or pervert the truth, it remains, even when all other things have departed, and so... to me, the truth is God.

[He brushes a strand of hair back from his eyes, taking a deeper sip of much cooler coffee.]

Because the truth remains, it can be difficult, to know if seeking it is actually carrying you further away from it, or turning you away from your proper north. A shame, that I may never know how the case turned out, or whether I was walking toward or away from God.

[He knows.]

You seemed sure of it, even when your gospel was saying otherwise. I'll be grateful for any doubts considering my innocent, but I'm surprised.

[ Light also doesn't think L has considered his innocence any more than he had before. When he was able to 'prove' he wasn't Kira, L's mood notably suffered. It's true that many things have happened here that result in things that surprise Light, but he doesn't think this will be one of them. ]

Since our roleplay is over, I don't believe in a god, either. If I did, even a little, I'd be willing to offer up prayers, but I can't imagine that any god who'd let so many things happen would listen. That's why Kira was able to find such a following. Even things like truth and evidence sometimes fail. It's on us to try and fix it, to make truth and innocence matters, but we haven't. You've gotten closer with the ability to work somewhat outside of the law, and even if I don't always agree with it, it's telling that it's been most efficient.

We're Bonded; very little about my attitudes should surprise you.

[Still, L is pleased. This means that he's continuing to live up to what he needs to, so that he remains relevant.]

I agree. I don't feel that any god remotely invested in our world would allow it to fall into such a state. There were many people, crying out for some kind of presence, and so... Kira gained a following all too easily.

[Really, too easily. L doesn't say as much, not quite, but he thinks it loudly.]

Light? How far do you believe your personal obligation extends, to that effect?

To the world? Pretty far.

[ Which is something Kira would think. He can almost hear the words spoken. ]

I do know I'm good at investigation, and that I can make a real difference when I can join law enforcement for real. Intelligence is important, but it's not almighty. It's frustrating to know that even at my best, I won't be able to help everyone, but Kira's way of thinking is wrong, too.

[ No, it's not. But Light has a role to play. ]

You can't fix the law by breaking it. If there's something about the system that's not working, we need to work together to fix it. Otherwise, it's in place for a reason. It makes sure no one person has too much power and that everyone is accountable.

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Player Plot: The Salvation of Geardagas, Part 1

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